Author Topic: Alchemical Cipher (Read 9350 times)

Paul Ferguson · « **on:** January 29, 2013, 08:50:25 PM »

Hi,

Can anyone help with the alchemical cipher mentioned in the thread here:

http://www.alchemydiscussion.com/view_topic.php?id=650&forum_id=8

That forum is a closed forum so please reply here or e-mail me at caesariensis@gmail.com

Many thanks for any help you can provide

Paul

Aaron · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2013, 12:45:10 AM »

Welcome to the forums, Paul!

That manuscript bears some similarity to the Voynich manuscript in terms of style, but other than that I haven't any ideas just yet. But hopefully one of our forum members could help!

Paul Ferguson · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2013, 04:24:27 AM »

Hi Aaron,

Thanks for the welcome. I thought it looked a bit Voynichy too.

Two further observations:

1. Language is almost certainly 17th century English or Latin
2. If it is a simple substitution code there is a 4-character word ABCD, a 3-character word ABD, and a 6(?)-character word EDAADF

Fingers crossed,

Paul

tonybaloney · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2013, 05:19:09 PM »

Line for line -

excellently well uvresie
by salt dissolve or melt it
downs in some convenient vessel
over ye giertzzen strow some
vitrius so any mettal leasvualy va
pon it & soe by dacrees it
will melt in it & become
ivisible

best I can do with that image
Tony

Paul Ferguson · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2013, 06:24:36 PM »

That's brilliant Tony B!

We're getting a clearer image of the text.

Thanks so much,

P

tonybaloney · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2013, 06:26:32 AM »

'giertzzen' now thats a lovely word, missed the dividing dot - it should be

over the fier then strow some

also mixed up sulphur with vitrius - perhaps that produces giertzzen

Paul Ferguson · « **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2013, 04:03:29 PM »

The latest table of equivalents and decipherment effort are the ninth and tenth posts in this thread:

http://www.alchemydiscussion.com/view_topic.php?id=650&forum_id=8

Many thanks again to TonyB for his great efforts

P

Paul Ferguson · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2013, 12:53:24 PM »

600 dpi scan of the Dissolution inscription available online at:

http://mail.nysoclib.org/Digital_Archives/misc/dissolution/nysoclib_dissolution.jpg

TIF image (also at 600 dpi) can be downloaded here:

http://mail.nysoclib.org/Digital_Archives/misc/dissolution/

tonybaloney · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2013, 05:31:54 PM »

I'll go with this -

Tooke excellently well purifie
bay salt dissolve or melt it
downe in some convenient vessel
over ye fier then strow some
sulphur of any mettall leasuarly up
pon it & soe by dagrees it
will melt in it & become
fusible

Tony

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